Years ago General Aesop and I first crossed swords over at Peter Grant’s - aka the Bayou Renaissance Man. Much hand waving, clucking and egg laying was going on about weaponized hobby drones being repurposed to drop bombs on squaddies. Any number of low grade CGI animations were around showing these demonic dimunitive drones busting tanks, carrying flame throwers and wielding revving chainsaws on robotic arms, HAR HAR HAR!!! Aaaaaaaaand of course….it all just HAD to be true! Or so the old boys thought. It was ridiculous of course.
As a scratch drone builder I was intrigued - the thought of bombing that insolent Californian nurse into submission appealed… so I ran some basic chit house flight tests with a larger drone I’d built…and of course, it couldn’t lift the weight of your generic garden variety NATO hand grenade that tipped the scales at around 600 grams. So it was, predictably, all bunkum: hobby drones and even small heavy lift drones couldn’t generate the lift required to carry the large ordinance required to destroy people…never mind tanks.
I am catching flak from the usual suspects now that small drone warfare is being done all the time. There’s even good videeyahs about it!!!
Apparently the Ukes and the Russians are using smaller heavy-lift commercial and military drones to drop bombs on their adversaries. There’s still a lot of deep and shallow fakes out there but the odd one like this is legit. Here…the Russkies are having some sport with the Ukes. But it goes both ways.
I did some sleuthing on the bomblets. Apparently it’s nigger-rigged VOG-17 ammo. The bomblets carry a 32g “payload”! That’s about the weight of a 1/3 of a pepperoni stick from the deli! HAR HAR HAR!!! As you can see… these things are pretty much just great big fire crackers! There’s maybe enough “bang” in that to surprise you enough that ya might have to check your shorts afterward… but these things score direct hits and usually produce no casualties. I suppose the fright of it made some of the Ukes drop their weapons… but apart from that? It’s more of a rude prank more than anything else. I saw another one where the target was a sleeping Russian… and the Ukes dropped a dud on him. Ilya woke up long enough to casually throw it away, then farted and went back to sleep! HAR HAR HAR! Gawd…I am starting to like Russians! That kind of attitude is worthy of a Marine!
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I suppose one of these things could kill ya or maybe put your eye out…? All I know is that if somebody dropped one of those things on me, and I found out about it…there’d be hell to pay! Ya never know, I suppose. The energy densities of modern munitions are always going up. In Starship Troopers the space marines carry shoulder fired nukes. But small drone warfare is still pretty much more in their realm of fantasy and sci-fi than it is in ours, and I don’t see it changing any time soon.
30-40 grams of HE like C4 isn't going to generate enough energy to kill you unless maybe it falls down your shirt. But it can generate enough energy to create high speed shrapnel causing injuries and occasionally death. And that's really all it needs to do, injure a soldier, remove him from the fight and burden the logistics chain.
ReplyDeleteNo doubt - but the problem is getting enough shrapnel around the explosive to do the job... and that means more weight. If you want to take out personnel with shrapnel... classic arty is still the way to go.
DeleteThese weapons are not intended to be a deciding factor. The are a form of psychological warfare. And for that I suspect they are fairly effective.
DeleteYes and no, Dan. It seems to function more as a flash bang than anything else. The Ukes in this vid drop their weapons and scramble for safety… but compared to an actual Russian artillery bombardment…? I dunno, I think I’d be more concerned with the big ones than these little poppers…
DeleteLooks like they already snagged the video, Glen.
ReplyDeleteStrike that. User error.
ReplyDeleteNo wonder those other chaps used you for sport, mate.
ReplyDeleteYou're still getting it hilariously wrong.
The Russian 30mm grenade is 10 times heavier than what you wrote, and weighs 349 gms, not 32.
32 grams, wherever you grabbed that number from, is probably the weight of the grenade's explosive charge.
That's 494 grains.
For comparison, the powder charge in a bog-standard .50BMG round is 265 grains.
http://roe.ru/esp/catalog/fondos-especiales/spetsgranatomety-y-municiones/gpd-30/
https://reloadammo.com/50bmg/
You shouldn't quit your day job.
https://www.universal-dsg.com/product/30-mm-fragmentary-rounds-vog-17/
DeleteImpressive effort with the common core math... but there is a difference between grams and grains. If you want to cheat at math... general Aesop is probably not the kid you want to scribe off of... HAR HAR HAR!!!
So Felix is now an ex SAS sapper called Ian? I'll bet he can shit grenades!
DeleteTake your clogs off to do your sums, mate:
Delete1 gram is 15.4324 grains.
32 grams x 15.4324 = 493.8368 grains.
Which rounds up to 494.
Funny that, exactly as I said.
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And your referenced site and mine are virtually the same one (mine is the actual Russian one yours was based on), which lists the weight of the round as .35 kg.
That's 350 kg, once again nearly exactly as I said.
About eleven times heavier than what you stated.
And those little beauties kill people quite handily out to 10m, as numerous videos featuring squaddies on the receiving end with sudden blood trails or crumpled over dead show after they're dropped. They're also quite nasty when introduced into the open hatches of BMPs and T-anything tanks, seen in videos beyond counting, and it brews up Ivan's stupid inside-the-turret ready ammunition quite spectacularly, on AFVs from either side.
So they aren't anything like firecrackers.
Now pull up your trousers, and go sit in the corner.
Then go ring up someone with actual military defence knowledge to show you where you went off into the bog.
HAR HAR HAR!!!
I am not questioning your grade 8 unit conversion; I am wondering why you feel the need to do it. My site and yours point out the explosive payload is 32g. Everything I said above is true… and you come in and start trying to prove how dumb I am, and how smart you are…by doing unit conversions…?
DeleteAnother sock puppet, Aesop? Oi!!! Dooon’t be a cooont!!!
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I wonder how many of those paper snaps type of fireworks a simple drone could carry. That could be fun to watch somebody after dropping several of those around them.
ReplyDeleteShouldn't there be a noticeable "jump" in the video from the release of the "bomb"?
ReplyDeleteThe other problem with these claims of using Toy Drones (yes, that's all they are, even the 'commercial' ones) is the very Limited Range- both in terms of Flying Distance and Control Range- that when carrying a Maximum Load, they aren't going to get more than a few hundred Meters or so. Thus the 'victim' of such a Prank is going to know that there is some Enemy Asshole within Rifle/Mortar/Machinegun Range. And doing this to Treadheads will end badly - Like, "Always save Ammo, Run Over the Grunts any Chance you get."
ReplyDeleteThese could be made more effective at even lighter weight with the use of chemicals or biologicals, but I'm guessing you're not gonna see the videos of that.
ReplyDeletePerhaps - but not with the hobby machines, Fido. They are limited to line of sight operations…and when start playing with chemicals and nerve gas…you want your own guys as far away from them as possible. You need a machine that uses higher freqs to operate at far longer ranges for that…. And, it can be done… but hey re-invent the wheel? Let the artillery guys do it and make life simple…
DeleteThere are commercial drones that that will deliver meals or packages a few kilometers. The control issue can be preprogrammed or routed through satellites. I've seen videos delivering "just big enough" explosives doing "just enough" damage. Both sides have them. Even "crap copters" get better.
ReplyDeleteTree Mike
Yes but those are very different animals Mike. The Amazon drones are largely a PR stunt. They are very large, and operate on higher radio freq’s than hobby drones do…which are 2.4Ghz if I recall correctly. That gives you “line of sight” operating range. We have to make sure when we talk about these things, that we compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges…
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