Ya know what?
This is one of the rare instances where bubblegum
cards are of no use whatsoever.
The Russians can build between two and seven times more
tanks for the same money we spend.
They’ll swarm these things and scrap them
I also notice the T14 is missing here…and I have
seen vids of them showing up in numbers.
Mind you…that would need some
fact checking to be sure of.
At this point only a complete moron will assert that things are going well in the Kraine (not mentioning any names).The Didactic offers an excellent summary of things so far. I’m not done chewing on all this, but Macgregor and Neapolitano had some very interesting new (to me) information: apparently America has no old school M1’s to offer the Ukes. The existing fleet of American M1 tanks has been retro fitted with the allegedly new wonder armour that can shrug off all hits and as a result - is invincible. According to Macgregor, the military will flat out mutiny if Biden sends these wonder tanks to the Kraine where it’s highly likely that the Russians will capture them. Old school M1’s will basically have to be built from scratch. I will personally be surprised if these ever arrive on the battlefield at this point. The Russian response from this threat so far has been laughter.
The other point Macgregor made was that the Kraine can no longer field an army. An exodus of refugees has cut the country’s population in half. Anyone with any sense has left; and those that remain are largely the elderly, the very young and women. The fighting age men men are either dead, wounded, or gone. They are literally out of Ukes.
Putin is calling the last bluff. The only thing that will change the game is if NATO goes all in. If they do, they will have to mobilize the military and economy on a scale not seen since WW2. This, at a time of recession and complete disgust among NATO peoples for their gubbimints.
So… will the west go all in? That is the next question in this.
Basically all are cold war relics, designed for NATO/ Warsaw Pac battle.ReplyDelete
Yep. I personally think the age of massed tank battles are over. That is not to say there isn't a place for the tank in the battlefield... but I think its no longer the game changer that it once was.Delete
Aesop managed to change his blog message from: 'Fuck you if you don't get the vaxx ", to: 'I fucking told you to wait for the VAERS data'. Nobody in the history of blogging has cleated his own dick more than said Mr. SoCal who lives in an apartment next to drug-dealers.ReplyDelete
It would only be prudent to question his artillery analysis in a war far from him.
He is the reason that you can't afford to go to the ED for a few stitches on the weekend. Too much pay, too long of wait, and then he would slander you in a post to aggrandize himself.
There are many who would love to meet him in a dark alley one night.Delete
As the Russians have plenty of copies of the TOW II (Thanks Syria) the top down anti-tank missiles will find ALL that fancy armor burning scrap armor. Not to mention the Russian AT-Missiles that blasted Saudi owned Abrams last year in Yemen.ReplyDelete
Maybe Putin's willing to allow Poland to De-Tank themselves as to take some of their toys away? Feel free Europe to donate all your panzers to Ukraine. :-)
Yep. I think it was BCE saying that if you want to kill those monsters, you do it from the top with artillery, planes and missiles, or you do it from the bottom with mines and IED's...Delete
No need to even kill them. Any roadbed IED that can break a track on one side or the other will leave it spinning in place. Post a sniper to watch the hatches, and wait.Delete
I am thinking that over simplistic describes most people's analysis of armored and combined arms warfare I've seen on most blogs.ReplyDelete
It's along the lines of, "a bullet will just go RIGHT THROUGH an infantryman's chest!" Therefore infantry are obsolete and there will be nothing but corpses stacked to the sky! It's useless to send infantry! Except...
The Ukrainians will be severely hampered by not owning the top to bottom integration of combined arms and logistics to support that.
That'll lead to tanks being deployed poorly and taking more losses than a US unit might.
But it needs said that they're doing better than expected while Russia is doing far worse than expected and Russia doesn't seem to learning from mistakes made, or at least applying the lessons.
The Ukrainians do seem to be learning and applying the lessons learned, but they're stretched so very thin.
Russia just needs to keep grinding to win. And it looks like they will.
Unless someone does manage to get rid of Putin in a way that doesn't cause keys to be turned to the left in 3, 2, 1.
"But it needs said that they're doing better than expected while Russia is doing far worse than expected"Delete
There is absolutely no evidence to support this claim.
Agreed. Initially the Russians were fighting a limited action aimed solely at bringing the Ukes to the negotiating table. They did fair enough against a spectacularly well entrenched peer military. Angus, if you and your squaddies had had to face opposition like that… you’d have taken big losses too.Delete
Agreed. Angus - the Russians confronted a deeply entrenched and fortified peer military. Hells bells - you and your squaddies would have taken a beating too if you had to face that.Delete
And to say the Russians learned nothing is nonsense. Where they used to engage on equivalent terms and take massive losses in pitched battles... they now pick and choose their fights and their tactics evolved accordingly. They now send advance light forces to attract fire and locate enemy positions. They then withdraw, and pound those positions into paste with artillery. Once the smoke clears, if anything moves they pound it again. Once the area and its former occupants are rubble and guts - they send in the heavy forces to occupy the area and mop up. The attrition rates right now favour the Russians and no bones about it.
Happy Stalingrad Day!ReplyDelete
Numbers mean a lot in tank battles. The Battle of Kursk is a good example. Unless all of NATO forces declare war, start building a large number of tanks, find enough soldiers willing to fight another useless war, and have no qualms about killing millions of civilians, it will all be another shit-show, like Viet Nam and Afghanistan. Russia is huge, and when the economy isn't good, the rest of the world will find they can be ruthlessly efficient in taking care of the Motherland.ReplyDelete
I wonder if you’ll ever see massed tank battles ever again Jess?Delete
As Angus says above there are so many other, better ways to kill a tank than with another tank
Kursk is a good example of why you should never attack a well entrenched enemy who has laid thousands of mines and has 76 mm anti tank guns dug in everywhere. Also make sure your Panthers don't break down after five miles and that your Ferdinands and Elefants have machine guns.Delete
If there's Anything that will Piss Off the Russians, its Cherman Panzers rolling East in the 'Kraine.ReplyDelete
I'm guessing, is that if this Happens, Tsar Vlad the Bad is going to be handed a Declaration of War by the Russian Legislature, and if he doesn't immediately pick up the Red Courtesy Phone on his Desk, and send the Rocket Troops to Berlin, there will be plenty of Votes to Impeach him the same Day.
Agreed. They've said several times that WW3 will not be fought on Russian soil. The cynic in me wants to think that such a scenario might even be worth it just to see Washington, NYC and a few other havens and bastions of immorality and stupidity get nuked...Delete
If Ukraine is doing better than expected, why are they begging for hundreds of tanks?ReplyDelete
I think it's because there's money in it. Most of these tanks won't make it to the battlefield until well after the "war" is over, at which point Zelensky (if he's still alive), will sell them on the black market along with all the other armaments we've been trucking over there. And the assholes in DC still get their 10%.
Numerous pertinent facts about the tanks are missing. I served in an American Armor brigade. The Abrams has a depleted uranium turret, which is more dense and resistant to sabot rounds. It goes much faster once the crew removes the governor. It's gun stabilization and thermal optics are phenomenal! A human loader is faster than an automated system. But, 30 isn't good to make much difference.ReplyDelete
dmm already on the black market, train load stolen, people get nothing ,criminals take allReplyDelete
i listen to the duran on youtube they had scott ritter good interview
Yup the Duran is a great source too...Delete
On odysee, not yewtube.Delete
Because what every military wants is a dozen completely different armored vehicles, with completely different maintenance needs, with parts in both SAE and metric, with manuals in 3 different languages (none of which your people speak).ReplyDelete