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Tuesday, 10 November 2020

An Interesting One Over At Du Toit's...

 Kim and I are having a difference of opinion on the efficiency of the .45-70 on Cape Buffalo.

Like most fellas, the first thing Kim does is dig out spec sheets and start comparing ballistics. He holds that the .375 H&H is clearly superior to my tusty old .45-70. On paper, it most definitely is.

But out in the real world, far from the ballistics labs - welp... back in the day, the old 45-70 was dumping North American bison at a quarter mile with great big, slow moving torpedos that weighed in at around 500 grains, and clocked at around 1300 ft. per second. The man refused to respond to me (probably thinking that he was dealing with a tard (which, in my case, he most certainly is)). But even tards are right once in awhile. 

One of Kim's other fan boys weighed in with this:



Modern 45-70 ammo, properly stoked...?  This is Nick Fadala... I wonder if he is related to one of my gunny heroes - Dr. Sam Fadala? That guy was the ultimate black powder geek and sportsman, so it wouldn't surprise me one bit. If you ever see his "Blackpowder Bible" on the used book rack - grab it because it is full of lore and info on muzzle loaders.




At the end of the day most of these calibre-related dog fights aren't worth the time of day! The 45-70 will kill the buff just as dead as the 375 H&H will. It is far more important to train with your rifle and be able to use them proficiently under pressure - the kind of pressure exerted by over a ton of pissed-off buffalo that you just shot in the ass, and wants to stomp you into paste, HAR HAR HAR!!! Buffalo are nasty customers, both the African and the North American varieties. If Kim wants to think the 375 H&H is superior to the 45-70, I am not going to argue, but I probably won't agree either.

Where I will argue with the man is in the value of a reloader. These guns develop a lot of horsepower on both ends, and you need to practice with them. They are not fun guns to shoot, and factory ammo for them costs an arm and a leg. Garrett is selling their ammo for $80.00~$150.00 a box. I can probably make them for under $20.00/box and it will be every bit as good or better than the factory stuff.

If you aren't reloading - you need to start!!!

 

7 comments:

  1. My brother Big Mike reloads .45-70, and I don't shoot enough of it to hunt up .45-70 bargains - I just ask Mike for a 10 - 15 custom cartridges. I like light loads as I'm using them in a handgun.

    The .45-70 is capable of dropping anything that you'll find in the North American continent, and I'm including the mythical land of Canada and the harsh reality of Alaska. Polar bear and Moose will put meat on my table.

    Kim du Toit may not always be right, but he is never wrong - according to Kim anyway. Every so often he gets on my very last nerve and I stop reading his drivel for a while.

    My hidden agenda for the day is that Old NFO went 504 for a while, but he's back now. As his last post had links to unfavorable political articles, I was a bit concerned that the Crazy Uncle Joe was up to a few tricks.

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    1. I'm pretty sure it can handle most of Africa too, Jack. If I recall, Teddy Roosevelt did well with the .405 Winchester too.

      Dammit. I am getting a hankering for a lever gun again... :(

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  2. I have studied too much parasitology to ever want to set foot in Africa.
    And for the issue at hand, I once asked a buddy at work (a Vietnam vet) "Just how much gun do you need anyhow?" His answer: "Belt fed".

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    1. I’ll say it and take the flak for it: the white man needs to take that continent back. It would be better for everyone including the negroes.

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  3. Glen - a bit closer to your wheel house: I went to Mozambique in 2001 with a Gorilla bow and 2400 grain (total weight) arrows. That is what I used to kill a Cape Buffalo.

    pjk

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    1. Do you have a link to that equipment you used PJK? I am curious because I am a proponent of heavy arrows myself (mine weigh in at 525 grains). Most would scoff at me because they are only going 260 FPS, where everyone today is going for high velocity light arrows with retractable blade warheads. I started watching this idiot on OyTube called “The Ranch Fairy” and he uses arrows even heavier and slower and he swears by them and has the means to prove it - he runs hog hunters outfit in Texas, I believe...

      But you are right, archers can kill them with the same principle: a big, heavy slow moving mass from a properly tuned bow, placed properly...would be more than ample to kill a buff. I believe Ted Nugent has done it...I know he’s taken muskox with his bow. My arrows are considered heavy by many - they come in at 525 grains moving at 260 FPS. I dunno if I’d try a buff with them... but moose, elk, and deer? They’d be in the freezer before ya knew it!

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  4. Glen - I don't have any links - I put together my equipment early in my time on the internet. The arrow shafts are aluminum 2440 with 5" feather fletch. The broadheads are 260 grain single blade with a teflon coating. Have to be careful touching them as they would cut if you touched the blade. The arrows were cut to 32" to accommodate my draw length. The bow is a Gorilla bow set at 110lbs at 32" with pretty round wheels - about a 50% let off. I shot it with fingers as it has pretty long limbs.
    pjk

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