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Tuesday, 28 December 2021

Now Ya Done It...Groan...

Never fails. You'll be back at camp after a day in the field, or loafing on the gun forums during a bitterly cold winter day inside with nothing to do... and some tard will stir the pot up by asking "What Is The Best Hunting Gun?" ... and the pie fight starts! HAR HAR HAR! I have gotten so bored at times that I have done it too on occasion...🤣👍 It's cheap entertainment!

Gun club duffer and part time sniper - Polimath - does the honours for us today. The old gun rags used to try and address this one but never could because it is a huge topic and will spawn any number of others. WHAT are you hunting? WHERE are you hunting, and at what ranges? Are you worried about meat damage? Are you concerned about barrel life? WHO's going to be shooting the gun, you, or maybe your wife or 14 year old daughter? 

I have no dog in these pie fights, I learned long ago that what goes on in the next place on the firing line STAYS over there too. I have my own declining marksmanship problems to contend with. I have my own trusted sources for information too (Polimath is one of them). Maybe we should turn this into one of these internet "Roast Me" things? I will go first!

Personally, I am dubious about all these new proprietary and miracle chamberings that come out once a week these days. I am happy with all of the old standby's for hunting AND range work. All my shooting is 300m or less, all my serious shooting is done offhand or from the standard positions with a GI sling. I can and will work with anything... .30-06, .25-06, .270, 6.5x55, .303 Brit, .243 - you get the idea. I require that reloading data is plentiful and established, that components are readily available and easy to stockpile in bulk and quantity and at reasonable prices. Smaller bullets are naturally cheaper, so my personal preference for a hunting/do-it-all gun is the .25-06, stoked to the nuts, coming out of a barrel no shorter than 24". With the right bullet that will kill everything up to and including moose... with maybe the exception of big bears. You have to bust them up to kill them... but I never shoot at bears anyways so it's not an issue. Even on the range, with hot loads the .25 will shoot like a cream puff, and flinching is not something you have to contend with during the longer matches. My old bull barreled Ruger No.1 would stack its preferred ammo into groups 0.5~0.75 MOA all day long off the bench. After 20 years of hard shooting I burnt the throat of the barrel out, having put at least 30~40 pounds of IMR 4350 through it. I've since rebarreled it to .243... and preliminary results are mixed. I swear that the wind pushes the bullets around a bit more but I could be full of beans on that. I have only found one load that will consistently duplicate the accuracy of the old barrel. Gawd... I need to hit the range in the worst way, but this cold weather make the range really uninviting... I guess it was -43C with the wind chill for awhile this morn, but it has since warmed up to -38C. Warble gloaming, my hairy corn-spackled ass!

So what is your 'go-to' rifle? And why? Leave an explanation in the comments if you are so inclined, and feel free to participate in this Rifleman's Geek-Fest. As always, your two cents are sincerely accepted and appreciated.



29 comments:

  1. I have gotten so bored at times that I have done it too on occasion...🤣👍 It's cheap entertainment!
    So what is your 'go-to' rifle? And why?

    Nice try!

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    1. Round here, Brian - the only guy whose opinion counts - is the bum ya see in the mirror in the morn. We are all friends until an impromptu gong or postal match breaks out... then we become deadly enemies, HAR HAR HAR!!!

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  2. The BC on the 25 is better than the 243. Also, the velocity is significantly higher with the 25.
    peace, bro.

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    1. Of course, as an old poacher told me years ago: "if ya shoot 'em in the eyeball, it don't matter what you shoot 'em with!"

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    2. I have no idea how the BCs work anymore. It used to be you had one coefficient, now you have two - G1 and G2. My ballistics program seems to work out to 400 yards with precision with just one BC... and even when I pull a BC out of my arse for some of my cast boolits with an semi-educated guess... it seems to get the trajectory dead on the money with those as well. My old .25 was a picky eater, and the new .243 is as well. It figures that it loves the priciest bullets going - which for me, so far, are the Lapua 105gr Scenars. That's fine for the target range, but I need a good hunting bullet too and just never sat down to come up with one. Maybe later on in the summer...

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  3. Alright, I'll play along. :^) My go-to is the .308 Winchester in a Remington 600 bolt carbine. We don't have nearly any big species like moose or elk (Nilgai come close) in south Texas, so no worries about furry things with teeth to get me et. Its plenty accurate for me shooting out of a blind or offhand when stumbling around and finding some animal deaf enough to let me get close enough. That bolt carbine is just under 7 lbs SCOPED, which doesn't weigh me down much. A 2.5-8x Leupold Vari-X III from way back (low 80's vintage), but 99% of the time is left on 5x which works just fine. A lighter fixed scope in that power range would work. I've carried that same rifle, my firstest deer rifle since 1977 when Dad bought it for me. Never needed to be exchanged for something else.

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  4. I like the 30-06. Lots of reloading data with bullet weights from 125 to 200 grain. Yeah, I know it's long in the tooth, but it suits me.

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    1. Nothin' wrong with being old in the tooth as long as you're tried and true, OG!

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  5. Remington 700 in God's own rifle caliber, .30-06 . The old ways are the best ways.

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    1. Agreed...unless I want something with a shirt barrel, then I like my Remington 600 in 308 Winchester.

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  6. Your post reminds me of my brother watching an Army shooting team make 6 inch spreads on a 600 yard range, with open sights. The rifle? Modified M1's

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  7. My "Go To" rifle? A well used Ruger M77 with a skeleton stock in .30-06. She's not pretty, but always gets the job done. Unless we're talking about hunting on Admiralty Island...

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    1. King Peter told Ritch The Bitch that he HAD to sell his M77 and get a 300 Rem. Ultra Mag just like his. I told King Peter to stuff it, and I told Ritch that if he sold his ought-six he would regret it for the rest of his life and would be kicking himself. But whadda I know? Long story short, Ritch proves me right. Those M77s are darned fine rifles for the money.

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  8. WHICH go to rifle? How can you only have one? Most deer/yote/hog around here- Rem 788 243. Nosler Partition around a hundred grains. In the mountains/high plains for elk/muley? Custom 1909 Argentine Mauser chambered to 06'. Now for where I use to live- 10 miles from our southern border- WASR AK. Saved my and the missus' bacon one day. Now that I moved way way north, about 250 miles away, old age makes the AK too heavy- but still settin 3 feet away right now. Now says walkabout a light weight AR. Now go to for plinkin' with the grandson, Ruger 1022. Now this is not all my rifles, just my "go to's". I only have 6 or 8 favorites. That's another subject.

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    1. Yep - for me, I tend to stick to the bush and muskeg during hunting season - and I still have more damn guns than I know what to do with...

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  9. I don't use a rifle; I use a shotgun. 12 gauge, high brass, number 4 shot.

    If I had to use a rifle, and I have to choose between rifles I currently own, I'd take my Winchester lever action 30-30. The main reason being that I know I can hit stuff with it, and it's dead simple to operate.

    Since we're playing a variant of 'what-if', if I had to select one rifle, I'd take a refurbished, accurized M1 Garand in .30-06. As pointed out by several other contributors, the .30-06 cartridge is dead common, and the various loads for everything from fox squirrel to rhinoceros to rabid moonbats on crack have been loaded, tested, analyzed, reanalyzed, and argued over since the dawn of the true firearm - the .30-06 rifle. If you don't know which load to use, go to a gun club and find the oldest shooter on the rifle range (it's likely he won't be shooting due to arthritis, rheumatism, and knowing the outcome of his efforts) and ask him what you should use. Ignore all others and write it down - it'll be advice from an expert.

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    1. That M1 would be a super choice, Jack. BP is singing love songs to his and it makes me jealous as hell. I am an M14 guy but not by choice, I'd love to see one of the manufacturers pick up the old M1 design and start cranking out match rifles... the price point on them would be horrendous... but I bet folks would still buy them.

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    2. The main problem here is the ammo. You got to use the correct loading or you risk bending the op rod or cracking a bolt06. I have a lot of time lugging and a little time shooting it back in the Army ROTC days. 06 does have a wide range of loads, but most should be used in a bolt gun, not a M1. There are a few new loads intended for the M1 but most are FMJ. I would not mod the gun to shoot other ammo. Just me.

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    3. CMP sells the refurbished "special" M1 for about 1200.
      new barrel, new stock and all the parts that need to be new replaced with new. All that is needed is bedding the thing.

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    4. I am being a bit wordy tonight so bear with me. My one and only is an M-1, Springfield. Got it in 67. I have put a lot of different ammo thru it. Never had any problems, but there is a couple of rules I have followed. I never load anything over 2850 fps with bullet weights over 145/150 grains. I match powder to to the bullet. With heavier weights, over 165 slow it down to 2500-2600 fps. Finally get a set of gas ports to reduce pressure on the top rod.

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  10. Big rifles will be too much for our shoulders when we're 70+ years old. It's either an AR 15 or we best just settle on a 20 gauge with a slug barrel and a .22 (Bella Twin!).

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    1. Baloney Bob shot 7 Mag, and pretty much 7 Mag only. He burned through 3 barrels in the time I knew him and he even shot gophers with it a couple times.

      Now that he's an old fart, his shoulder is acting up on him and one of his retinas detached ... and the doctors figured it was years of pounding from that magnum that might have something to do with it.

      I will stick to the softies too. You can't kill the critters any deader than dead... and for paper targets at the range, why beat yourself up?

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  11. Different horses for different courses.

    When hunting with the wee-tots I had them shooting a muzzle-loader. Almost no recoil. No ability to spray-n-pray. Limited range. They learned to wait until they KNEW they could seal-the-deal.

    Now? It is not so clear. Michigan's laws keep changing. Surprisingly, they have become less restrictive as there are fewer hunters and the deer herd is exploding in numbers.

    The last two seasons I used a Ruger American in .350 Legend. The .350 Legend is one of those weirdo chamberings designed to be legal in the maximum number of jurisdictions.

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  12. Remington 700 243 win. Always seems to work well.

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  13. OK, Mr. Filthie... all this scientific b.s. is making me tired. The best weapon is the West Texas Wonder. A Chev. 350 in a 1/2 ton pickup. Run it's ass down, throw it in the back and go home.

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  14. depends. open country:.243, i like the heavier loads. brush: the old standby 30/30, lighter loads or leverlution when i can get some. all hell breaks loose: fn fal,nuff said.

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  15. 30/30 rifle barrel for my TC Contender. Shoots 125gr and 168gr Sierras into 3/4" at 100 yards. Next summer I'll try cast powder coat bullets. Nice hunting and bench rifle.

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  16. for me it'll be the old Marlin 30/30 Im not hunting something overyonder on the next mountain over, probably 150 yards or less here .

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  17. I'll take my dad's Marlin 336 .30-30.

    If I can't kill it with a .30-30, I'm loading up and running away.

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