Gregory took me into the boards for a much deserved cross check and some high sticking:
So. Why don't you like the 40 S&W round? I shoot Them in my 10mm Smith. They are strong and accurate (at least to this old man and his shaky self)
By Godfrey... I may indeed have shat the bed on that one. Badly! When it comes to calibres I always tell folks to buy the old tried and true .45ACP/9mm/357/38 Special/.22 long rifle/44 Magnum. They are relatively cheap, readily available and fully supported by the gun marketplace. The gunnies have worked with them for years and years and they know everything about them from the reloading standpoint (except for the .22 - and to be honest, if you are anal enough - you can reload for that too!). I avoid exotic calibres like the plague because brass and ammo supplies can get disrupted with them and then, without any ammo... your gun would be a paperweight. I always lumped the .40 S&W in this category and only realize the error of that now that Greg brought it up. How long has that thing been on the market now? 30 years? 40? Jeebus, Filthie!!! Good grief!!! Ya think it might be time to finally take a look at this thing...? GAH!
40 S&W Ballistics Chart
|Ammo||Velocity (Feet per Second)||Energy (Ft. Pounds)||Bullet Drop (Inches)||Ballistic Coefficient|
|Ammo Name||Barrel Length||Muzzle||25 yds.||50 yds.||75 yds.||100 yds.||Muzzle||25 yds.||50 yds.||75 yds.||100 yds.||Muzzle||25 yds.||50 yds.||75 yds.||100 yds.||(G1)||(G7)||Sect. Density|
|Blazer Brass 180 Gr. FMJ||4||985||954||926||901||877||388||364||343||324||308||-||0||-2.4||-7.3||-14.9||0.147||0.161|
|Sellier & Bellot 180 Gr. FMJ||4||968||940||915||892||871||375||353||335||318||303||-||0||-2.5||-7.5||-15.3||0.157||0.161|
|Tula 180 Gr. FMJ||4||919||338||0.161|
|Magtech 180 Gr. FMJ||4||990||966||944||924||904||392||373||356||341||328||-||0||-2.3||-7.1||-14.4||0.199||0.161|
|Black Hills 180 Gr. FPL||4||800||256||0.161|
|Black Hills 200 Gr. RNFP Cowboy||4||800||284||0.179|
|Blazer 180 Gr. FMJ||4||1000||967||938||911||887||400||374||352||332||315||-||0||-2.3||-7.1||-14.5||0.147||0.161|
|Winchester USA 180 Gr. FMJ||4||1020||993||416||394||0.161|
|Winchester USA 165 Gr. FMJ||4||1060||1029||412||388||0.147|
|Federal American Eagle 165 Gr. FMJ||4||1130||1078||1035||999||967||468||426||392||365||342||-||0||-1||-4||-9.1||0.154||0.147|
|Remington UMC 180 Gr. FMJ||4||990||964||940||392||371||353||-0.3||-1.1||0.161|
|Federal American Eagle 180 Gr. FMJ||4||1000||972||946||923||901||400||377||358||340||324||-||0||-1.4||-5.3||-11.6||0.175||0.161|
|PMC 180 Gr. FMJ||4||985||957||931||908||887||388||366||347||330||314||-||0||-2.4||-7.2||-14.8||0.164||0.161|
|Federal HST 180 Gr. JHP||4||1010||980||954||930||908||408||384||364||346||329||-||0||-1.4||-5.1||-11.4||0.175||0.161|
|Blazer 165 Gr. FMJ||4||1050||1008||972||941||913||404||372||346||324||305||-||0||-2.1||-6.6||-13.5||0.139||0.147|
|Fiocchi 165 Gr. FMJ||4||1100||1016||954||443||378||333||-||-0.8||-3.9||0.155||0.147|
|Federal Hi-Shok 180 Gr. HP||4||1000||972||946||923||901||400||377||358||340||324||-||0||-1.4||-5.3||-11.6||0.17||0.161|
|Speer Lawman 165 Gr. TMJ||4||1150||1089||1040||999||964||484||435||396||365||340||-||0||-0.9||-3.9||-9||0.14||0.147|
|Federal Hi-Shok 155 Gr. HP||4||1150||1087||1036||994||959||455||407||370||340||316||-||0||-0.9||-3.9||-9||0.13||0.138|
|Speer Gold Dot 180 Gr. HP||4||1025||988||956||928||902||420||390||365||344||325||-||0||-1.3||-5||-11.2||0.143||0.161|
|Fiocchi 125 Gr. Sinterfire Frang.||4||1265||444||0.112|
|PMC 165 Gr. FMJ||4||989||964||941||920||900||358||340||324||310||297||-||0||-2.3||-7.1||-14.5||0.187||0.147|
|Federal HST 165 Gr. JHP||4||1130||1078||1035||999||967||468||426||392||365||342||-||0||-1||-4||-9.1||0.15||0.147|
|Remington HTP 155 Gr. JHP||4||1205||1146||1095||500||452||413||-||-0.2||-0.8||0.138|
|Speer Gold Dot 165 Gr. JHP||4||1150||1090||1042||1001||967||484||436||398||367||342||-||0||-0.9||-3.9||-8.9||0.138||0.147|
|Speer Gold Dot 155 Gr. JHP||4||1200||496||0.138|
|Federal American Eagle 155 Gr. FMJ||4||1160||1095||1043||1000||963||463||413||374||344||319||-||0||-0.9||-3.8||-8.9||0.138|
|Hornady Critical Defense 165 Gr. JHP||3||1175||1116||1067||1027||992||506||456||418||386||360||-||0||-1.7||-5.4||-11.1||0.154||0.147|
|Speer Lawman 180 Gr. TMJ||4||1000||967||937||910||885||400||373||351||331||313||-||0||-1.4||-5.3||-11.8||0.147||0.161|
|Speer Lawman CleanFire 180 Gr. FMJ||4||1000||967||937||910||885||400||373||351||331||313||-||0||-1.4||-5.3||-11.8||0.147||0.161|
|Prvi Partizan 180 Gr. JHP||4||968||943||920||899||880||375||356||339||323||309||-||0||-2.4||-7.4||-15.1||0.175||0.161|
|Hornady 180 Gr. XTP||4||950||903||862||361||326||297||0.161|
|Winchester 180 Gr. Bonded JHP||4||985||388||0.161|
|Barnes 140 Gr. TAX-XPD HP||4||1120||1061||1014||975||940||390||350||320||295||275||-||0||-1.9||-6||-12.3||0.128||0.125|
|Remington Golden Saber 165 Gr. JHP||4||1150||1089||1040||484||435||396||-||0||-0.9||0.135|
Sorry about this chart - I couldn't figure out how to format it....
Hmmmppfppfpfffff!!! That is easily 45ACP performance with light bullets! Hmmmmmmm. And maybe 9mm with very hot loads? What’s the heaviest pill they shoot? 125 grains?
This whole cartridge came about because back when the FBI actually did law enforcement - they did it rather badly. They got in a pitched gun battle in Miami with some very well armed goblins and lost two agents and had five or six others severely wounded. For whatever reason, the Feebs decided their Sig P226s in 9mm were underpowered and they needed more jam to compete in these altercations. (I thought (and still do) think that they were full of beans - they returned fire with 9mm's, .357 magnums and 38 special guns... and the 9mm and .357 certainly DO have all the power needed to end a gunfight. Theirs was a training issue... but I digress).
What we have here is basically 9mm performance with bigger bullets. Or 45ACP performance with lighter boolits. Unfortunately for the Feebs, that comes with more recoil and I guess the new crop of crime fighters…. The vibrant little women and diminutive chinks couldn't handle it ... so after all the work of developing and issuing the new guns ... they all ended up going back to the 9mm. Now ya see why those guys turned away from law enforcement and became the secret police for the shitlib democrats, HAR! And why they go around nowadays arresting drunks and grannies and retards and dress them up as super villains, HAR HAR HAR!!! But the round caught on with other serious police agencies and the public - and it is out there in full force just like all the other tried and true standby's.
Why don't I like it?
I suppose I probably should! My only issue with it is I like to shoot cheap cast lead bullets that I make myself. Cast lead likes low velocities. For target work, a 230gr round nose, poking along at 750~800 FPS is just fine. I get marginally better accuracy from jacketed bullets - but cast lead is just super for practice. Other than the 38 Special, none of the other standby common calibers will handle low power cast lead loads as well as the good ol' 45. But that's just me. If all you are going to do is fight with the gun... the 40 S&W may be a good fit for you. There’s certainly nothing wrong with it.
Are any of you guys shooting this calibre recreationally? What are your impressions? I have heard complaints about recoil and muzzle blast - but that comes with the territory when you shoot serious ammo at serious targets.
As always, your two bits are sincerely appreciated!