It’s a question going around in the circles I lurk in. Internet experts like Peter Grant are getting nervous and apparently we all should be too. The conversation is, should ya beat the rush, throw your bug-out bag in the back of the truck and pass your rifle to the old lady up front - and drive? Get a jump on the crowds? Or can you afford to wait? If ya wait too long the zombies or the brown shirts might get ya and you’ll never get away at all…
Some of the guys that turn up in the comments are just so much vermin. “Oh, I think I’ll just go to ground and hide while the excess population kills itself off….”. What kind of life is that? What kind of future does that promise for your bloody kids? I look at them and I see the kind of stock these castrated transgenders come from. Gah.
See that guy in the pic? Picture him about two feet shorter, with a pot, no hair, and an AR15. If it ever comes to it, I am going to dig right in, right here, and make my stand here. I don’t care if I fall here either. Dying at home appeals to me actually. If civil order breaks down, I will sandbag myself in so deep that they will need dynamite or artillery to put me down! If I kill four feral apes… I’ll call it good. I’d like to take more, but one can’t be greedy in life or death, I suppose.
You run and head for the hills, if you must. But let us have no illusions about exactly what it is you’re doing. What would your ancestors make of you?
Have a great Friday, folks.
An excellent discussion, sir. Many years ago, when Canada was routinely noted as the best country in the world to live in by the UN, I wondered where one was to run to when the best country in the world went for a sh!t?
ReplyDeleteThe answer, of course, is that you don't run anywhere.
You stand where you're to, and make the best of the land you love.
You make your plans, dig in, and yield not one inch.
Of course, it helps if you don't live at Jane & Finch, too. You obviously have to locate yourself somewhere that is in fact defensible.
Once you have, though... Let. Them. Come.
Mike in Canada
Amen, Mike. Everything in life, right up to and including slavery, is a choice.
DeleteGetting towards the front side of seventy, I have no illusions of bugging out. I have a lifetime of outdoor skills that I've learned, however I can't get around like I used to. Here I stand and here I may fall, but make no mistake, I will be taking a number of undesirables with me......
ReplyDeleteMay we compare scores in the next life, Tam. I may have to pad my score card to compete, however... :)
DeleteYep, some people don't know any better than to live in a technicolor Hollywood fantasy. They would rather have Velveeta Cheese than the real thing. Its all just the ultimate not-so-grown-up evolution of playing Cowboys and Injuns when we were eight years old. Incredible that even fifty years later, with heart congestion and diabetes, they haven't learned shit and find the prospect enticing. And yet you wonder why boys today live in a fantasy land thinking they can be a girl if they just cut off their peckers and put on a dress. Sick and twisted when you really think of it. Count me out.
ReplyDeleteI am not looking forward to what comes, Mike. I pray that if I have to fall from the earth this way - that my bowels are empty when I go. I don't have the strength and stamina, never mind the know-how to take up subsistence farming. I dread what is coming as anyone else, but as many wrong turns, and big mistakes I have made in life... I intend to die well. I don't care if anyone sees it or even notes my passing. I will have to die well for my sake. The only guys that matter in this are me and my Maker... and I want to be able to look Him in the eye when my time comes.
DeleteIt has been my credo for a while to make my stand WHERE I stand. I find it incredible how many peoples' attitudes are to "run and hide." You may live to fight another day by retreating, but you will NEVER win! I live in California. People are leaving in droves. People outside the state are saying "I hope California falls into the ocean." California has some of the most fertile land on EARTH. That land is arable ALL.YEAR.LONG. One can grow just about anything here. We've got oil, minerals, fishing & game, lumber, THREE deep water ports,... I could go on all day. One would think that the patriots of the United States would FIGHT to keep this land. Instead, they pile into the SUV and head off to places like Idaho. I'm not knocking Idaho, but face it; not only doe it not have most of what California has, but it's LANDLOCKED. What kind of military moron would herd his people onto a reservation and hand over the good stuff to the enemy? Yet this is exactly what's happening. Like I said, you never win by running...
ReplyDeleteYep. Think about that - as the good people move away, the bad ones stay and crap on what is left. If it continues Mexico will look like Haiti or Mexico.
DeleteHate to say it Pete... but I think you are going to be at the tip of the spear when this thing breaks...
That's been my observation as well. I think the break is going to be pushback by the likes of me, as we've put up with it longer than just about anyone else in the country. I'm all in for that...
DeleteJoe Biden is your moron that would herd his people onto an airbase island and hand everthing over to the enemy. And just incase that wasnt enough to convince you hes a moron he opens our southern bordef to our enemies and picks a fight with putin over Ukraine's border.
DeleteFive. You can probably get five before you're taken out. Also, I'd add that the "feral apes" are the ones being used (as blunt instruments against the rest of us) by the real enemies who are the architects of our destruction. Of course, those enemies are "your fellow Americans" (or Canucks) for their propaganda and disinformation purposes. If it all goes to hell one might keep in mind those who are truly to blame.
ReplyDelete@Peteforester: YES! Thank you. I'm sick of people saying "fuck California." It's a wonderful place with many resources as well as astonishing natural beauty. It just happens to be run by crooks and assholes.
I think you're being too hard on the bug-out dreamers. It's just a form of escapism to fantasize such a move. They see that society has gone insane and they want out. Just up and quitting the whole fucking system is a form of protest that I respect. It demonstrates their sanity, however unrealistic a bug-out may be in practical terms.
ReplyDeleteI absolutely understand and admire those who resolve to stand their ground and die with their boots on. But I also admire the strategy of those such as the monks who isolated themselves throughout many societal collapses in an effort to preserve knowledge by meticulously hand copying written texts. (the fact that they also spent their time to perfect the art of brewing beer makes them all-time heroes!).
I have long suspected that the reason so many men love the lore about the mountain man, and specifically the Robinson Crusoe story, is because we all wonder if we could meet such a challenge.
Kudos to both mindsets.
Perhaps. But... hell's bells! Everyone is RUNNING. Nobody is BUILDING.
DeleteWhen I was a boy - the oldsters were all about us kids. We needed schools, swimming pools, libraries, playgrounds - and they lived for neighbourhood groups that raised funds, broke earth, and they manned the shovels. If you asked them, they were living the high life.
Today? "There's too many niggers in this neighbourhood, too many drugs and too much crime!Time to move!!!" But don't you DARE call a spade a spade! If you want to build facilities for the kids, you have to grease the palms of sleazy politicos and sit still and take it if they take your money and vote and betray you. You need an extensive evaluation and criminal record check to own a gun, but not to vote or have kids.
For gawdsakes, people. Grab some bloody balls. Futures have to be built and they have to be protected. There are no shortcuts.
I'm planning to remain inside my home until the home is destroyed. At that point I have several options, Tennessee being the most likely.
ReplyDeleteMr. Filthie- I'm in agreement. The pukes will have to roust me out of my home and it won't come cheap. Like someone said, the apes will be the blunt-forced instrument. That's ok. Gotta start somewhere.
ReplyDeleteAs I age, I see the truth in that saying paraphrased supposedly from Twain; "I Am an Old Man and Have Known a Great Many Troubles, Most of Which Never Happened". Very, very true for me. There is no debate we all live an extremely easy life in comparison to most of human history.
ReplyDeleteI am also a sci-fi reader and to paraphrase Herbert, "Don't be the poor fool who puts himself in the path of the Harkonnen fist."
There is a balance to walk between the two.
Do you want to be like the first to flee from the (((tribe))) who left Germany and moved to the FUSA prior to the unpleasantness pre-WWII, who survived, raised a family and left offspring? Or do you want to be like the hard-core (((tribe))) who stayed, tried to outplay, outlast & survive - and didn't? Forgotten by herstory and their actions unremembered? The difference between then & now is there was once a safe harbour. No longer.
Our current situation APPEARS like the airstrike scene in "Platoon", with the captain on the radio;
"Be advised, we've got zips in the wire down here . . . . Expend allllll remaining in my perimeter, it's been a _lovely_ fucking war. . . "
It really seems like that scenario doesn't it? We are surrounded in our own homes by people let into our countries by our enemies, who are bent on destroying almost everything that has given us the good, easy lives we live in our western societies. And ultimately for what reasons? Daddy issues?
FFS !
I have posted on other sites about the futility of bugging out and prepping in the event of a true societal collapse where stores are no longer being replenished. Unless you are located in a remote area, having a garden, chickens, livestock, rain barrels, large supply of canned food, etc. will not be of much benefit beyond maybe a month. At that point, those who have nothing will likely have already reached your area in search of food and other essentials. Some of those people will likely have banded together into a gang for the strength in numbers that it provides. When they stumble upon a prepper, they will likely attempt to take, by force, what the prepper has. Should the prepper be well-armed and fortified, there are those who would just as soon burn down the prepper's house, because they have the mentality of "if I can't have it, then nobody will".
ReplyDeleteIt is because of this reasoning, that I don't see any point in prepping for much more than a month, maybe two.
Remember: I'm just 'thinking out loud' here.
ReplyDeleteSo..... it looks like many of you are going to stand your ground and die? To make a statement?? The Carthaginians did that. Rome, though long collapsed, still laughs.
Better to be a cockroach that slinks off to the hills to hide than to genocide yourself. Suicide is much worse than fleeing, where you can at least fight another day.
And how do you live to "fight another day"?? Be like the determined cockroach that will never surrender. The modern day human equivalent to the cockroach might be something so extreme as like moving to the middle of the South Pacific Ocean U.S.territory of the Marshall Islands, where the women are fat, black and ugly.
And then breeding the least stupid one you can find. You go on to teach your progeny to hate your enemies. That's a true survival mindset.
Suicide is impotence. You could ask the Carthaginians, but none are left. It's better to be the cockroach on a temporary basis.
In my personal circumstances, I would rather bug-out with a squaw from the local Indian rez, along with a couple thousand books, and wait it all out. Be like a cockroach. Who breeds.
Bugging out is not my first choice, but is still A choice. I'll play it by ear.
Delete...My breeding days are pretty much done... unless God pulls an Abraham on me...
Point of order: Carthage made endless concessions to Rome with the net result that Rome always got stronger, and Carthage ever weaker. The Carthaginians died anyway. Rome would not abide a powerful rival within its sphere, and their fate was sealed the day the Romans decided to kill them. Those that ran away were caught, enslaved or killed. Or they died with their women and children in the city, slaughtered like animals and erased from history for being too near the wrong people at the wrong time.
DeleteIt doesn’t matter. All empires rise and fall. Theirs fell because they refused to defend it. Sure, they fought and lost a few minor skirmishes with Rome… but they could have conceivably beaten them any number of times. But they sought peace, instead, or they ran. Hell, in the early days, Rome didn’t even have a navy. The Carthaginians forged their destiny as much as Rome did.
But that is all beside the point. The guys that are trying to destroy us right now like to say, “You’re on the wrong side of history!!!” The losing side, gentlemen, is not necessarily the wrong side. If you are on “the wrong side” now… it will only be worse for your kids. The scribblarians historical revisionists can prattle as they will. If I am forced to this… the details of my death will be between me and my Maker and that’s it.
For me, it depends upon the severity of the societal chaos. If it is full blown collapse that results in the electrical grid going down for an extended period of time, then for me there would be nothing to return to if I was to run off and hide in the hills. Once the grid goes down for an extended period of time, it will likely never come back up, or at best it might come up after several months or years of it being down. I am too old to try and adapt to a life without electrical power. That would mean having to live without refrigeration to keep food from spoiling, lack of readily available potable water, lack of general sanitation like sewers and trash removal, insufficient lighting to continue working after sunset, and the list goes on. If the grid goes down, you will have to adapt to living with conveniences that were available in the late 1800s. However, not only will most modern conveniences be rendered useless, you will likely have to deal with the majority of streams and lakes being contaminated with human waste due to sanitation systems no longer functioning properly, that allows raw sewage to escape into streams that feed rivers and lakes. That would cause wide spread cholera due to lack of potable water, and fish as a food source would also become questionable.
DeleteIf you are lost, JL - follow me! We can be lost together! HAR! I will be glad of your company!
ReplyDeleteWe have to be clear about what we mean with all this. Take someone like BP - he moved to Florida to loll about in the sun with a drink in hand for a well earned retirement. When it rains, he shoots at swanky indoor ranges and lives the high life! HAR!
But... he brings something with him too. He has common sense, money to spend and invest locally, and he has skills - a computer geek if I understand him correctly. He's literate and personable and will be a valuable pillar of the community wherever he goes. He has something to add to whatever community he lands in. You can't fault a guy for that.
On the other hand... to flee from the turmoil of a failing state... to be another hungry mouth as a refugee? To compete with hungry moms and kids that will be flooding into temporary safe zones from failing cities? It used to be that us men had far more pride in ourselves than that. We used to build safe places for our women and kids - and travel half way around the world to counter those that would threaten them. We'd beat them on their own turf too. Now the women and children run the military... and us guys cower when we should be on our feet doing the heavy lifting. Courage and honour used to mean something and it just doesn't anymore. Cretins and degenerates have redefined those terms and we let them do it. A jewish fag in a sun dress is your surgeon general, and we are expected to praise him for his bravery and courage. It makes me want to vomit.
I've said it before, I will say it again - we are going to hang seperately, and no doubt guys like you and I will probably swing first... but they can only kill us once. Those that will 'survive' will live in fear or swing at some later date after surrendering their pride and courage. Cowardice may or may not be a survival trait... but it is no way for men to live. And... it is no way for them to die either.
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I know someone who is Fixated on "Bugging Out" and it is Impossible to convince him that the Bugged-Out individual is just a Refugee, and NOTHING GOOD EVER HAPPENS TO REFUGEES.
ReplyDeleteHe is Financially Capable of moving from the Indefensible Suburban Hive he lives in, but is Unable to understand the Importance of "Grab some Real Estate" in an Exurban Area, while that is still possible.