So everyone is going on about that kid that popped a failed liberal social experiMINT that was going to shoot up a food court with a sport utility rifle. Apparently, Our Hero greased the perp at about 40 yards - and everyone is going on like the kid is Wyatt Earp... or Jason Bourne.
Not to take anything away from the kid - under the circumstances, with the lead flying and people panicking - the young man showed a coolness and proficiency most veteran cops don't have. That is a condemnation of our police, more than anything else. The kid did well, and deserves the accolades he got.
However - 40 yards is not a long shot. Back when the Old Guard still were with us, guys like Bill Blankenship was dumping 12" gongs at 200 yards. THAT is exceptional shooting. A hit on a human sized target at 40 yards should be a walk in the park. If it's not - you need to put in more trigger time. And - even when you can make hits at those ranges... the practice doesn't stop. Could you do that under fire or in a crisis situation when adrenaline is dumping into your veins and the pucker factor is off the scale? You need to be able to do that on instinct.
This should also give pause to the cool kids that huffily say, "the only reason for your handgun is to fight your way back the the rifle you never should have dropped...". At close ranges, the guy with the pistol is every bit the threat that the guy with the rifle is - and more so, if he knows his stuff. Take your pistol seriously. If you ever have to face an armed adversary, you'd better take his pistol seriously too.
This latest incident was a win for everyone. Back when I was a kid, success stories like this were squelched by the press. This story is all over the place, and it drives the shitlibs up the wall to have people see that guns SAVE lives too.
You owe it to yourself to push your gun and yourself right to your limits. Get out and shoot!
When I was a kid success stories like this didn't exist.....because "mass/spree shootings" were basically unheard of then.
ReplyDeleteChesty Puller got all of his kills with his .1911 and one case was a hit on the ear canal of some baddy in a canoe paddling away quickly.
ReplyDeleteThis shot was made on the run from the other side of the river.
back in the day, or a long time ago now, I did watch a old sgt. hit pop up targets at the 150 meter line with a old off the rack 1911 a1.
ReplyDeletegranted he did have it tilted a bit up and I think he was using his thumb for sighting, he did make it go down 5 out the 7 rounds.
I have bounced empty beer cans at close to 75 yards off the hood of a old pickup truck, but that was with a colt gold cup too.
and the sights on it where good too.
3-5 inch groups are not that hard to do at 25 yards either.
I spent my childhood summers at the FOP lodge on Lake Erie back in the late 50's early 60's . Different type of cops back then and they could every one shoot your ears off running at 50 yards . And if they were running it was not away son . Give them something to steady on and 100 yards was easy . Dad started me shooting at 5 years old and safety meant your ears were red twice a day . Not gettin' shot today boy , Dad would say after slapping me in the ear . Those old cops did not play around with guns . They were serious . I learned to be serious also .
ReplyDeleteWe watched a video from some assclown who presented himself as some sort of shooting expert. He stated disbelief at the “40 yard” distance saying one would have to be some sort of sniper to achieve that shot with a pistol. What said assclown did not acknowledge was the fact that this hero was young, in good health, and had good vision.
ReplyDeleteOur range time includes all distances of targets and I regularly shoot 6-inch steel targets at 50 yards with my Glock 19. No bigs. And I do not dismiss anything from that young man who neutralized a mass-shooter - God Bless him!
It’s all about the training.
Yep. Training smart also builds the confidence that is crucial to these scenarios.
DeleteAs I heard 8 hits out of 10 shots fired under stress at quick fire rates.
ReplyDeleteJust for fun after getting approval from Range Manager try a couple of wind sprints THEN pick up your handgun and take a 10 round string at a man-sized target at 40 yards. Note that the target wasn't possibly shooting back and did not move. The sprints will give you a bit of the stress this young man shot under.
He's more than a fair shot under pressure.
I also would love to know what caliber and what ammo was used if anybody has that information.
It took 8 hits on an amped up shooter to stop the situation. Think about that. Now add possible Meth Head level shooters as some Antifa are meth heads.
Michael- 9mm hollow points. He was using a Springfield Hellcat (not a Glock as reported) with a red dot sight.
DeleteSorry incomplete posting. Now think about body armor. Center of mass hits that hurt (I've been shot wearing soft body armor by a 38 special, HURTS) but the amped up shooter is still in the game.
ReplyDeleteI wonder if that mall shooter was wearing soft armor?
A nightmare meth head antifa wearing body armor is why I train for groin-hip hits. Larger than the head and doesn't move as much.
Shattered pelvis or thigh bone means they are down and me and mine can flee.
I'm trying to figure out a way to avoid the stress, if and when, due to my lung issues. I heard a domestic disturbance a couple weeks ago over the back fence. I eased out, hunched down to be below the fence, so I could be dang sure I wasn't mis-hearing. By the time I confirmed my obs, and got the PD on the phone, I was winded.... just from mild effort and an increased heart rate.
ReplyDeleteThat was a wake up call. I'm not really sure how to mitigate that, but I need to find a way. If an orange juicer strapped to my head would work, I'd use it all the time....
It’s one of the challenges of old age and declining health, STxAR. We’re all going to be in that boat eventually. The trick is to find other ways to get the same results that young man did.
DeleteMost criminals are really lazy opportunists that will pass on prey that could put up a fight. In your case, I’d get a big friendly but menacing looking dog. I’d alarm the place, with motion activated lights, and put up signs warning that trespassers will be shot and pished on. It’s the old Art of War for us: look meek when you are strong, and look strong when you are weak.
STxAR I's suggest a lot of walking or swimming is listening to a domestic disturbance winded you.
ReplyDeleteLast I checked, 200 yard gong shots don't shoot back and there are no baby gongs you have to avoid hitting.
ReplyDeleteIf this KID got 8/10 hits up to 40 yards under stress, that's amazing.
Just keep putting catsup on your wiener and you might get it.....
DeleteI didn’t mean to denigrate the lad in any way and said so. But let’s understand exactly what happened there: the young man made a deliberate study of the pistol and it’s limits. He took the time, money and effort to establish those limits, and his own as a shooter. He knew his shots would land even before he pulled the gun to shoot. This is the level of performance and confidence that is instilled by smart, deliberate practice.
I will bet you hard cash too: if you put him on the range shooting for coffee and bragging rights, he’d put all 10 on target and would shoot well out to 75 yards. Perhaps further.
Good shooting is not a gift or talent or luck. It’s a function of practice, training, concentration and mindset. And perhaps this is the issue of the armed citizen… it’s not enough to buy the gun and a box of shells. You have to practice the skills. You have to know the legality of your tactics. You have to commit to expanding your capabilities and knowledge. That is what the lad did… and the payoff was outstanding.
Instead of fighting a holding action with the shitlibs on gun control, we should be shoving this one up their asses: why are we arguing about gun free zones, lefty? Maybe we should be talking about the way you raise your children?
So is it unusual to hit 1" pidgeon chips on the 25 yd berm and work a bit for them on the 50 yd berm? Pistol accuracy at those ranges is not a big challenge when one's shooting is "well regulated".
ReplyDeleteAll skills are perishable. Age and time does it, practice being the key word in all the comments here.
ReplyDeleteIt's not hard IF YOU CONCENTRATE AND PRACTICE.
ReplyDeleteI shoot ICORE with a well-gunsmithed S&W 625 with factory sights, several months back one stage was a 35 yard El Presidente, got 9 of the 12 in the A ring shooting DA, 2 Cs just outside the A, 1 B just above the A ring.
Practice, practice, practice, then practice some more, you never know when you'll need the ability.
22 and married is grown man not a lad or boy.
ReplyDeleteAlso a pistol at 40 yards vs a carbine in crowded mall with having to push a wife to safety and no bystander hits is not basic pistol craft .
Its expert pistol craft.
And sure you can do it easily enough on the range, Garand Thumb just did that calling it the Dickens Drill but under fire? Many trained marksmen including FBI and police miss at closer ranges.