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Saturday, 22 October 2022

Your Favourite Submachine Guns?

 


When I was a kid I always figured I wanted one a those German Schmeisser MP40's or maybe an Uzi or an Ingram after I saw all the carnage in Escape From New York or the Terminator. A Thompson would have been right up my alley too...

But eventually even I grew up and had to start thinking that one over in terms of reality and consider things like accuracy, ammo costs. A fella would be chained to the reloading bench trying to feed one of these pigs. And I am not sure about the practicality of them either. In a trench they'd make sense, maybe... or in a house where the bad guys get all clumped together... but if I were a squaddie I think I'd want an honest battle rifle. 

But when things got too close for comfort, I hear these Russkie choppers were really nasty customers.  Do they shoot the same 9mm we do? I saw a fella at the range with one of those surplus Makorovs or Tokarevs or whatever they are - and when he torched one off ... it sounded like serious fire power going on. 

If I had to go to war with one... maybe these PPsH's wouldn't be a bad choice? I know very little about them...

18 comments:

  1. The PPS/H was chambered for 7.62x25 Tokarev, kind of an extended 9mm case, necked to 30 cal. Makarov is in 9X18mm, sort of between our 9mm and .380 auto.

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    1. I've got an automatic that shoots 7.62x25 Tokarev. There are basically two loads for this caliber, with the pistol load being reasonable and the sub-machine gun load being hot as hell. I ran a few through my automatic, and it kicked like a mule.

      I've got a Makarov 9x18 as a carry pistol in my car. It's a .380 on steroids, and the pistol is light weight. The thing kicks and beats your hand to death right at the web between thumb and forefinger. Not a fun gun to shoot, but should I ever need it it's highly reliable and the cops will confiscate it immediately. I paid about $150 for it, so it's not like the cops are taking my $900 Springfield V-16.

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    2. My truck pistol is a Polish P-64. It eats 9x18 Mak. Not bad recoil, and fun to shoot single-action; double-action requires a grip like King Kong. Heaviest trigger pull I've ever seen, anywhere.

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  2. Sign me up for an Owen sub-gun modified to take Glock magazines and the magazine well canted 15 degrees so I can see over the barrel.

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  3. Sgt. Steiner In Cross of Iron preferred one to the Schmeisser MP40. In the book he says why but I cannot remember.

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  4. Just watched a YouTube vid on these by Ian at Forgotten Weapons. He's got some good stuff on military surplus and odd, obscure stuff. If you haven't watched any of 'em, check it out:
    https://youtu.be/FAIyQ5yqVu8

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  5. range and firepower. the 7.62 Tokarev had more power than the 9mm.
    has. the German Waffen SS kept them in 7.62 Tokarev while the rest of the army converted them over to 9mm.
    9mm sub gun was good to 100-125 yards. while the PPsh was good out to 200 yards.
    the MP38/40 used a 32 round magazine, and for the most part the ppsh used a 71 round drum. after 43 (?) they also used a 35 round magazine. drums where tricky to use, you had to make sure they worked with your gun. not all did.

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  6. I think the ones in the picture are Finnish guns, the Sumoi (?)

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  7. Had a PPsH-41 that we 'recovered' in Iraq. Manufactured in 1943. STILL in the cosmoline or whatever rooskie equivalent it was. Caked on -hard-. Couple of runs through a solvent tank took care of that quickly.
    Interesting weapon. The buffer at the end of the operating rod inside was patches of leather, about 6-8, cut to fit the receiver and 'speared' onto the end of the op-rod. Ours were dried out and rotten so I got a swatch of leather from the Hajiis who ran the leather jacket shop and cut my own.
    Ran like a motherfucker too. Open bolt, rarely jammed despite being (at the time?) 62+/- years old. 71 round drum. Wind it up and Bob's yer uncle. FAST cyclic rate. Fireball-from-Hell out of the muzzle. 7.62 Toke ain't no Joke.
    Problem (for us) was finding BBs for it, as the ammo wasn't too common, even in Saddam's Fucked Up Logistics. A -very- unique weapon, that if I needed to 'hose out' a room toute-le-suite, I'd use that... or a AA-12 shotty
    Jes' Sayin'

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    1. Mr. Country- Welcome back! We all rootin' for you.

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    2. if I remember right it was 700-900 rounds per minute or close to it.

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  8. I have a few sprayers layin aboot the hoose. Never know when a weed infestation might encroach.
    OG

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  9. Lookit dis Misha - thees one stronk enuff for you !

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  10. 7.62x25. 9mm luger on steroids.

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  11. Those are Finnish Suomi subguns. The front of the shroud, muzzle size, and rear receiver cap are dead givaways. Some excellent weapons, but a bit heavy.

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    1. The sign on the wall in russian, these are likely PPSh then. Unless they had photoshop that time.

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    2. Looks like PPD-40 actually.

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